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LOST FOALS GROUP
The LOST FOALS GROUP, is made up of a growing number of breeders nation wide. These breeders are concerned about the side effects of the use of the Fort Dodge WVN Vaccine is thought to be having on their Foals both born and unborn, brood mares and stallions. These breeders are asking for further studies to be conducted on this vaccine. THese breeders have asked questions and ar not satisfied with the answers they have received thus far.
Breeders stories. i.e. The field results reported to FDAH, that they are not mentioning.
Links to Articles pertaining to the problems of the WNV Vaccine. See Links above
Posts found around the Internet, of other concerned people. This page
Contact information for the USDA. We URGE anyone who has had an adverse event happening with
the WNV Vaccine to call. The USDA Adverse Event Reporting Center at 800-752-6255.
Reporting these cases may help find a solution.
FDAH contact number 800-533-8536
This is form Carol. Thanks Carol.
I just recieved this months issue of Horse and Rider magazine, and Fort Dodge has chosen to use a full page ad for WNV using only broodmares and their foals as the horses pictured, a little misleading, and unfair in my opinion. But then little to this point has been fair in my book. Hopefully the word is getting out, and the people that are not having adverse reactions, continue to be so lucky, chances are though that when something goes wrong in their operations, raise the roof and WHY didn't someone tell me!!! Its easy to sit on the side thats winning. I say keep up the good work, and WE WILL find out the cause of all the tragic losses in the past season or two. My thoughts are with all of you that have lost your crops this year, and are having fertility problems this year. It may be that our only unaffected stock will be those who have not been vaccinated, and with the scare tactics still being practiced, and the theory just pay the $ 20.00 and get your LFG by some people, they may honestly think they are doing the right thing by vaccinating, we have yet to see the outcome of those foals whose mothers were vaccinated. At any rate, my band is a minority it seems, and I am willing to take the chance that one may become infected rather than losing the entire bloodline I have made my lifes work. I have had all my mares drop healthy foals, and the "weather" explanation must have missed my patch (and I had them all over my state breeding) cause they are all rebred.
That's all for now, Carol.
*Note They had the same ad in the June Issue of Western Horseman.
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The following is a serries of emails that happened on Fri. June 27, 2003.
Original Email to the Lost foals group
I am concerned about my horses well being as much as any other horse person... but after reading your site and all the adds of people I can't help but notice a pattern: all these people are risking their brood mares life by not vaccinating them against West Nile just so they can make a profit off healthy foals. I understand that is their way of making money but there are also many other ways to profit in horses and I don't see how these people can stake the well being of one of their horses on a profit. Money seems to run a lot these days, and I don't mean so sound counteractive and negative about these cases as I was hoping to breed one of my horses but now I am not sure I want to risk having an unhealthy foal as I have already vaccinated my mare. This is just my opinion, and your site is based on other peoples opionions as well... but the question I have is how can the health of one horse who has no say in the deal be put on the line just to make a profit? There are other ways to make just as much money in horses if not more...
LFG Reply to Lindsey
Thank you for your imput.
Please keep in mind. FDAH states that nearly 15,000 horses contracted WNV in 2002. They Dont mention how many of those 15,000 horses had been vaccinated. They say that 1/3 of those who contracted WNV died. They dont mention how many of the ones that died had been vaccinated.
We wish you great success in your continued use of the WNV vaccine. May you never have the problems we have had.
Many breeders raise their foals and train them then sell them. Now how are they going to make money? Breeders nation wide suspect this vaccine of causing mares reproductive organs to shut down, of stallions becoming sterile after vaccination. If these are true, what will be the effects on these young horses reproductive organs? Will this render them sterile?
What we want is for FDAH to come clean about the true number of reports they have had. To do the proper testing to assure this drug is safe. Remember injectable wormer....on the market for a couple of years before side effects where reported and then it was pulled. Remember in the 60s the drug that was on the market for a few years before it was determined it was causing women to deliver children with flipper arms. How long was Phen-Phen on the market before it was pulled because of its adverse side effects. how long has Permian been on the market, and now its being looked into.
As horse owners dont YOU and I deserve to have the proper testing done by the maker of this drug? Dont we deserve honesty in the numbers they publish?
Thank you for you interest in this matter. LFG
Lindsey Reply to LFG
You know that made me think what you said: we can't have horses without breeding so is this West Nile cure slowly decreasing our horse population? If we can't breed just for a simple sport horse how do we plan to keep the demand for excellent horses? I re-read over your site and just the picture of that foal in the very first add is very disturbing... your email made some very good points and those simple questions deserve the answers... why is it that this issue is not being publized like in a horse magazine or newsaper? I know of a few magazines that would gladly publish this issue since it is a very important matter. Has anyone tried to contact a horse archive? The interent site you put up is a big step and a wonderful help in making us horse people realize what is going on. Now it seems the West Nile virus is a no win situation: if your horse gets it and its not vaccianted then chances are it will have to be put down but if you vaccinate your horse and want to breed you may not get a foal and if you do chances are it wont be healthy.... Sorry I am taking up your time but why is it the horse world must suffer for someone else's vaccination that doesn't work. Thanks for your time and I'll spread the word!!!
Interesting posts found on the Internet.
The following have been copied and pasted from posts on the Internet.
I'll copy a message from Dr. Eleanor Kellon, VMD. This was an answer to a question on the horse science
BB from a woman who wanted to know if checking the antibody titers would show her how effective the
WNV shot is, she was also afraid of giving it. Notice at the end of the message, Dr. Kellon reports that she
DOES NOT use this vaccine on her own horses because of the lack of research on it. I personally do not use
the Rhino vaccine, and I only vaccinate for tetanus, rabies, and E&W every other year because the titer
levels stay high for that long. I keep my horses immune system way up there so it can fight off disease like it
was meant to. Over vaccination (especially with the combined vaccines, which are the very worst) just kills
the immune system. We have 14 horses in an area where WNV was common. We vaccinated 1 horse only
for it and none of our horses got infected. We practice great mosquito control, and like I said, the immune
system is the key to health and lack of disease. I know there are different opinions on vaccination, but we
have been sold a bill of goods by the pharmaceutical companies. I'm for vaccination in moderation. Again,
follow the $$$$$.
Last year we had the big West Nile debates on this board, and I am still a little crispy for the stance I took on
not vaccinating my broodmares. My Vet called the company for approval, and they said that it has not been
CONCLUSIVELY linked to abortions, but that it is also not been proven safe.
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